It’s interesting to me that everyone wants to right allen mana make up stories. I mean I get it we want to see allen happy and him with his dad so they can live a *relatively* normal life. But in honesty this I’d probably impossible. I’m not saying this because it’s impossible that the earl is really mana in there. I’m saying it because if he is, he won’t be the mana allen knew.
The mana allen knew, mana walker, was broken. He was mentally not all the way there, thought allen was a dog, and was generally suicidal and lost. Even if this could be brought back, it would be inhumane. It would be cruel to keep mana in such a state. On the off chance we got mana back with only his memories of being mana campbell and some from being mana walker, the best possible scenario for allen, we can’t guarantee what so ever that mana would love allen, let alone love him more than nea. Even if he DID love allen, genuinly as his son which isn’t that far of a stretch, he STILL would likely choose nea over allen. It would kill him to do it inside, but he’d probably still do it. Worse in this circumstance he could see the time he spent with allen as some nightmare fever dream he spent running from the earl and would want nothing to do with allen because of the stress.
And this is all if mana didn’t remeber the past 7000 years he’d been alive as adam. I mean I know real world science doesn’t matter but in cases of people with amnesia, even if they developed a full personality in the years without memories different than their old one, the new memories are completely over taken by the old in all cases it’s been studied where patients regained them. That means if mana remebered all those years, “mana” as we know him would be swept away almost competent except for a hand full of memories.
Even if we don’t use real world science though, the odds 7000 years of experience and personality development are going to be overridden by a mear 40, considering all the trauma that 7000 surely held, would be so incredibly unlikely you’d have a better chance of being struck by lightning on the moon.
Bottom line, correct or not, I’m actually incredibly sad to say that even if mana could come back, he wouldn’t be the mana allen knew, or wouldn’t be mana at all even with the memories intacact. And mind you this all only I’d the earl right now is actually completely 100% mana and nothing else, which is at the very least debatable if not unlikely.
something i wanted to add about that revelation neah makes about tyki maybe not looking the same as when he was born,
in the discussion room for volume 24, wisely mentions that the noah are reborn at the cellular level when they awaken:
(that’s the official translation so hopefully it’s accurate)
so i think the point that tyki’s appearance changed was specifically when he awoke as a noah. he could’ve looked like anyone, and the noah memory chose to make him look like neah/the earl. but why?
So I am rewatching anime with my mother (I am kinda dragging her into DGM hell as well whoops) and I was just watching the Matel episode. I realized a few details there and checked the manga- indeed there they are.
The top of his innocence and some parts indeed give a cloak form Crown Clown vibe, so I am wondering if that was a sort of preview detail/hint for %100 syncronization version.
Also, the “murderous rage” part bugs me because it is translated as “murderous aura” in anime and VIZ media translation says “Blood thirsty malice” so I checked the raw:
なんて禍々しい殺気を放つんだあいつ
武器がその姿を形にしているような
magamagashii satsuki.
It would be something more like ominous/sinister bloodlust/blood thirst. (if you have any better translation for magamagashii, be my guest. But satsuki, especially with this kanji translates to bloodthirst on any source I could find. Murderous is synonym with it, yeah, but when it is translated as “murderous rage”, it loses some meaning in the context. So VIZ Media translation is accurate one on that one.)
Why I am noting this?
Because we always see Neah being noted as the one giving a blood thirsty aura in manga. Any time Allen has anything to do with him: be it Sword of Exorcism appearing (Road notes it feels like the time Neah tried to kill them/instantly remembers that instance from the vibe of bloodlust Allen gives) to Link noting that he gives far too much blood thirsty aura to be Walker.
So we probably had our first hint of Neah (and possibly cloak form/the form of Crown Clown seen on Neah on a page cover when we were introduced to 14th) on Night 14.
I will try to look more into it, but this is one small thing I caught.
Bonus: This also supports that Neah is somehow connected/has some history with Crown Clown theories, which I might make another post about. It is pretty interesting thing, really.
Edit: I am a bit slow to actually realize that we had first hint of the14th on the 14th Night. Gdi Hoshino.
Ok so it has been bugging me for a while how the whole thing about how Allen got the memories of the 14th didn’t quite add up. Neah died decades before Allen was born, not even Cross knew how those memories got into Allen… (I know there’s this whole theory about how Past-Allen somehow de-aged? But that’s based on pure speculation and seems farfetched, even for this series…)
Also, when Cross was confronted by Apopcryphos(?), he said “He wasn’t called Allen when we first met.” which also bugged me… because if you read the Reverse Novels, Allen did briefly meet Cross before Mana died, and introduced himself as Red. He wasn’t Allen back then. Cross just realizing this when confronted with his possible death seemed to be implying something…
What if Allen didn’t have the memories of Neah when he was a child, and Cross had just mistakenly assumed he did based on his name and his association with Mana?
The first time Allen had a dream about the 14th was after he lost consciousness, after Tyki put a hole in his heart with a Tease and removed his Innocence. This was yet another thing that bugged me, in that scene, you never see Tyki take that Tease back out. I had assumed that particular detail was just mistakenly not included by Hoshino for a while, but I was rewatching the anime and came across this scene again, and when the dream came after it, I thought of this…
What if Tyki implanted those memories with that Tease that he never removed?
The fact that Tyki looks remarkably like Neah has already been made clear. He may not even be aware that he did anything… but maybe Tyki was the one who triggered the 14th to start awakening?
So I was pondering on D,Gray-man theories and it came to me;
What if ‘Gray’ is not only to do with the fact that Allen has a noah and innocence inside of him, but that he was once a Bookman’s apprentice as well?
Its not officially canon if Past!Allen is Bookman’s previous apprentice but we know that Bookman “stay unbiased at all times and remain completely neutral” Gray is between black and white so in a sense could mean in-between or neutral.
Hoshino confirmed that D. meant “Dear” in one of her interviews and that Allen is prophesied to be the “Destroyer of time.” so;
Allen, who was once a Bookman’s apprentice,was meant to be completely unbiased hence ‘Gray’ became close with Neah and Mana became biased and broke the Bookman’s rules. Had Neah become part of him before he died and in hence ‘destroyed time’ by de-aging and becoming “Allen Walker.” who possesses both innocence and a Noah inside of him.
“Dear the Gray man, the Bookman’s apprentice and the destroyer of time.”
Or it could just be a reference to the Bookman clan in general, as they’re an important aspect to the story. Bookman has something to tell Allen judging from these panels.
so i was rereading d.gray man, and i noticed something, though i dont really know if it means anything, or even if it does what exactly it means
but i thought it was weird, when allen and co make it to the top of the arc and road jumps on allen, there’s a design on the bottom of her shoe that was made pretty visible
and also considering the other one was just shaded gray, we’re probably supposed to notice it?
then later, when allen’s fighting tyki, again with the bottom of the shoe
i was just like “that’s a weird detail to put that extra bit of effort into, but whatever”
then i got to the part with the piano and allen points something out
what does that crest mean
/ who is it for (the earl? mana?), and is there any reason it’s on the bottom of the noah’s shoes and in the middle of the 14th’s song score
(maybe its just the noah’s family crest or something?? would they put that on their shoes and nowhere else?)
I compile it~ The one at Mana and Nea’s crest is different than Tyki and Road’s crest As for me I saw this as Campbell’s crest (Mana & Nea) and Camelot’s crest (Tyki & Road) But they do look alike eh
I can’t help but wonder what Allen’s reaction would be if it turned out that the souls of the Akuma he and other Exorcists slay won’t get purified and saved by the Innocence but get devoured the same way and on top of that lose their sense of self too.
You know, I’ve thought about that too. And boy, that would absolutely wreck Allen…but at the same time, it would also give him motivation to walk a different path. That path being, perhaps, the third side of the war?
I also have a long-running theory that the Heart of Innocence is planning to wipe out humanity the same way the Earl is, just for a different end. (Which falls in line with why people keep teaming up with Nea to fight for the third side.)
For now it seems that the Earl is ready to wipe out humanity for the sake of his family, but it’s not his main objective, he’s much more focused on “killing the false god (Innocence)“ than a full massarce. The Noah are way more powerful, it would actually be much simpler if they eradicated humantiy with the Akuma and then the Innocence wouldn’t have hosts, which means no Exorcists and no matter how powerful Apocryphos is I doubt he could take on the whole Noah Family on his own.
Then the Innocence – with Parasitic Innocence it was clarified that it eats it’s users life force to destroy the Noah. Ironically, the tool to save humanity is ready to sacrifice humanity to destroy the Noah. And maybe that’s how Innocence sees its host: as feeding grounds and humanity as cattle that produces it. The role of humanity is to birth hosts, powerful souls, so the Innocence would become Independent like Apocryophos. If your soul is not strong enough you Fall and get eaten up, but the Innocence still won’t evolve. Actually until now Innocence evolved the same way as Akuma: it induced despair in the hosts then when they made the decision to fight it fully accepted them and bound themselves closer (Crystallisation plus Allen’s and Krory’s development).
Noah souls are the most powerful, powerful enough that they reject the Innocence and are capable of destroying it, they won’t get devoured like normal humans, but Innocence is still powerful enough to hurt and destroy them. Basically it’s a tag of who kills the other first while human population is used as resources.
My concern, though, is less what they do to humanity during their war with each other, and more so what they’re planning to do with humanity once the war is over. If humanity survives the final battle…what is their fate?
The reason I think the Heart may want to wipe out humanity is because the current iteration of humanity is descended from the original Noah, and thereby tainted. It’s why any seemingly random person can end up awakening as a Noah, and why it’s nearly impossible right now to kill the Noah for good–they can simply reincarnate into a new body, and they have millions of people to pick from.
On the other hand, the Earl has stated explicitly that the akuma serve a higher purpose than simply being war machines. And it’s been theorized more than once that their evolutionary process has an end that will create a new species altogether–perhaps one meant to replace humanity in the world after?
Long story short, regardless of the specifics, I think humanity will get the short end of the stick if either of the major powers wins the war. Which is where I think the third side comes in–which I believe has the ultimate goal of destroying both Noah and Innocence, thereby saving humanity.
I think that’s why Lvellie so quickly and fanatically attached himself to the third side and proclaimed it was for humanity after hearing whatever Cross had to say. I think it’s why Cross helped Nea despite his obvious reluctance to sacrifice a child for the cause. I think that’s why Past!Allen offered his body to Nea in the first place.
(This actually directly ties into my theory that the Heart and Apo have sabotaged Nea’s reawakening–which is why Allen is not his Allen, and Allen mysteriously has Innocence. But that’s another theory for another time~!)
I have a theory based on the secret page of the new Time Pirates book, the one with the axolotl that Bill invokes in the finale for the show – who gives Dipper and Mabel some very interesting information about our favorite floating triangle and the terms of his resurrection (included under the read more.)
Basically: I have a cool idea about how Bill is going to come back. Or should I say, came back?
((I would love to hear what y’all think. Also, a big thanks to everyone I rambled to about this spoiler [most of whom I ended up tagging below ayy] as well as @fordtato for walking me through general spoiler theory post etiquette!))
This is what started the rebellion, the first act of treason from Rose Quartz, but here’s the thing, we’ve already seen the scene directly after the act of poofing pink diamond. (I specified ‘poofing’ and not ‘shattering’ for a reason, bare with me)
This is it. Right here.
If you’ve watched Rose’s Scabbard as many times as I have (so many, too many) then you know how this scene goes.
Rose: “Pearl, I’m going to stay and fight for this planet.”
This dialogue is so, so important. They’ve reached a breaking point (ha) here. Something that Rose just did has pushed them both into needing to make a choice. There’s no going back. Rose chooses to stay.
It’s important to notice her expressions here.
The first thing that strikes me is that for a few frames she’s looking away from Pearl, looking back. What exactly is she looking at? The evidence of what she’s just done? Pink Diamond’s Gem?
But it’s her eyes that really do it for me.
She looks haunted.
Then the urgency of the situation comes in through the dialogue, and here’s why I think this just happened.
Rose: “You don’t have to do this with me.” Pearl: “But I want to!” Rose: “I know you do. Please, please understand, if we lose we’ll be killed, and if we win, we can never go home.”
She’s done something punishable by death, so she gives Pearl the option of leaving. She still has time to give Pearl the option of leaving.
This, if nothing else is proof that Homeworld doesn’t know that Pink Diamond has been poofed yet, that the act of treason has just been committed. They are the only gems who know what has happened, we know this because not only does Eyeball confirm that there were witnesses to Pink Diamond’s shattering but, in the beginning of“The Answer” when Pearl and Rose first attack, the Ruby guards can be heard crying out:
“Who are you?!” “Show yourselves!”
At that point all Homeworld knew was that there was a rebellion, they didn’t know who had rebelled, who attacked Pink Diamond.
Back to Rose’s Scabbard.
If Pearl returns to Homeworld now it’ll be without consequence, she won’t be blamed because nobody knows what just happened, Pearl can lie, claim no involvement, anything. Rose knows this, tries to protect her by offering her a means of escape. (It’s obvious by her body language, her hesitation, and her resignation that she wants Pearl to stay but she would never ask that of her, but that’s another post entirely ;D )
Pearl declines, of course.
(Rose looks so relieved and happy and ajshgjakhgs)
We’ve just witnessed the start of the rebellion and the birth of the Crystal Gems.
Now this. This is where and how Pink Diamond was shattered.
The rebellion is underway, a thousand year war. The Crystal Gems are outnumbered, outgunned, and it all comes to a head in the strawberry battlefield where it seems that White Diamond has been sent in to finish them off once and for all.
This mural has always reminded me of something straight out of Sailor Moon.
And I believe the same scenario played out here. The odds were stacked against them, they were facing total defeat. So Rose, like Usagi, uses her last resort, her strongest weapon.
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